{"id":6483,"date":"2023-01-08T03:09:12","date_gmt":"2023-01-08T02:09:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/rtds.jamu.cz\/?p=6483"},"modified":"2023-01-12T01:45:01","modified_gmt":"2023-01-12T00:45:01","slug":"anna-mrazkova-noskapal-pribeh-deniku-ruth-maier","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/rtds.jamu.cz\/?p=6483","title":{"rendered":"Anna Mr\u00e1zkov\u00e1: Skal ikke brennes &#8211; P\u0159\u00edb\u011bh den\u00edk\u016f Ruth Maier"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Poslucha\u010dka ateli\u00e9ru Anna Mr\u00e1zkov\u00e1 nato\u010dila rozhlasov\u00fd cyklus voln\u011b inspirovan\u00fd knihou <em>Den\u00edk Ruth Maierov\u00e9<\/em>, zachycuj\u00edc\u00ed p\u0159\u00edb\u011bh \u017eidovsk\u00e9 d\u00edvky \u010desk\u00e9ho p\u016fvodu a jej\u00edho sv\u00e9bytn\u00e9ho nahl\u00ed\u017een\u00ed na sv\u011bt okoln\u00ed i ten soukrom\u00fd. Po\u0159ad byl uveden mj. na vernis\u00e1\u017ei k v\u00fdstav\u011b <em>Archy rodiny Maier\u016f <\/em>po\u0159\u00e1dan\u00e9 po\u010d\u00e1tkem roku 2021 v mikulovsk\u00e9 synagoze. O nezvykl\u00e9m zp\u016fsobu zvukov\u00e9ho ztv\u00e1rn\u011bn\u00ed, kdy alter-ego autorky a postava Ruth o\u017e\u00edvaj\u00ed t\u00fdm\u017e hlasem, i o jej\u00edm podivuhodn\u00e9m sou\u017eit\u00ed s neviditelnou \u017eidovskou d\u00edvkou hovo\u0159ila s Annou Mr\u00e1zkovou doktorandka ateli\u00e9ru Kate\u0159ina Hejnarov\u00e1.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-soundcloud wp-block-embed-soundcloud\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Ruth - Trailer by rtds.jamu\" width=\"500\" height=\"400\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"no\" src=\"https:\/\/w.soundcloud.com\/player\/?visual=true&#038;url=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F1419058597&#038;show_artwork=true&#038;maxheight=750&#038;maxwidth=500\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Trailer k cyklu Ruth Maier<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Ani\u010dko, nejprve bych se cht\u011bla zeptat, jak se vlastn\u011b tv\u016fj rozhlasov\u00fd seri\u00e1l ofici\u00e1ln\u011b jmenuje. Poslala jsi mi ho jen pod jm\u00e9nem <em>Ruth<\/em> &#8230;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>No, on p\u0159esn\u00fd n\u00e1zev zat\u00edm \u00fapln\u011b nem\u00e1. Ale uva\u017eovala jsem, \u017ee vezmu n\u011bjak\u00e9 norsk\u00e9 slovn\u00ed spojen\u00ed, kter\u00e9 ta Ruth pou\u017e\u00edv\u00e1 v t\u011bch pozd\u011bj\u0161\u00edch \u010dasech, kdy u\u017e v Norsku \u017eila dlouho a u\u017e i n\u011bkter\u00e9 z\u00e1pisky psala v nor\u0161tin\u011b. Na jednom den\u00edku, p\u0159\u00edmo na vazb\u011b, m\u011bla napsan\u00e9 \u201eskal ikke brennes\u201c, co\u017e znamen\u00e1 v \u010de\u0161tin\u011b \u201enep\u00e1lit\u201c. A to mi p\u0159ijde jako hezk\u00fd n\u00e1zev &#8211; tak\u017ee s n\u00edm zat\u00edm operuju nejv\u00edc.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Nicm\u00e9n\u011b abychom rozhovor trochu ofici\u00e1ln\u011bji uvedly \u2013 jak ses vlastn\u011b dostala ke sv\u00e9mu t\u00e9matu? Kde jsi Ruth Maierovou na\u0161la?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>J\u00e1 jsem se k n\u00ed dostala potom, co vy\u0161el \u010desk\u00fd p\u0159eklad jej\u00edho den\u00edku. Vlastn\u011b je\u0161t\u011b o chv\u00edli d\u0159\u00edv, proto\u017ee moje maminka na tom p\u0159ekladu spolupracovala, a j\u00e1 jsem tak poslouchala o Ruth i o r\u016fzn\u00fdch peripeti\u00edch, kter\u00e9 m\u00e1ma s tou knihou za\u017e\u00edvala. Nakonec mi Ruthin den\u00edk doporu\u010dila s t\u00edm, \u017ee j\u00ed p\u0159ipad\u00e1, \u017ee mezi n\u00e1mi vid\u00ed n\u011bjak\u00e9 spole\u010dn\u00e9 rysy. A tak\u00e9 vy\u0161la ta ob\u00e1lka, kde je Ruth, sed\u00ed, dr\u017e\u00ed kn\u00ed\u017eku a nad n\u00ed skl\u00e1n\u00ed hlavu, m\u00e1 na sob\u011b br\u00fdle a kr\u00e1tk\u00e9 vlasy, a vypad\u00e1 trochu podobn\u011b jako j\u00e1 t\u0159eba p\u011bt let zp\u00e1tky.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>A ty ve sv\u00e9m po\u0159adu pou\u017e\u00edv\u00e1\u0161 takovou zvl\u00e1\u0161tn\u00ed formu, kdy je p\u00ed\u0161e\u0161 dialog &#8211; a p\u0159itom ob\u011b ty postavy ztv\u00e1r\u0148uje\u0161 sama. Jak vlastn\u011b vznikl tenhle koncept?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Vzniklo to jednak z praktick\u00fdch d\u016fvod\u016f, proto\u017ee kdy\u017e jsem o Ruth nat\u00e1\u010dela \u00fapln\u011b na za\u010d\u00e1tku jenom ze z\u00e1jmu, je\u0161t\u011b jsem nem\u011bla promy\u0161len\u00fd \u017e\u00e1dn\u00fd cyklus, tak jsem jela nat\u00e1\u010det do m\u011bste\u010dka jm\u00e9nem \u017daro\u0161ice, kter\u00e9 je s Ruth spojen\u00e9, a tam jsem pokl\u00e1dala i ot\u00e1zky r\u016fzn\u00fdm kolemjdouc\u00edm lidem. A kdy\u017e jsem se to sna\u017eila sest\u0159\u00edhat, uv\u011bdomila jsem si, \u017ee by bylo lep\u0161\u00ed, kdyby ot\u00e1zky pokl\u00e1dala p\u0159\u00edmo Ruth a ne j\u00e1. T\u00edm p\u00e1dem vznikla pot\u0159eba pou\u017e\u00edt m\u016fj hlas pro ob\u011b holky. I kdy\u017e \u2026 mo\u017en\u00e1, \u017ee m\u011b to napadlo u\u017e d\u0159\u00edv \u2013 pr\u00e1v\u011b na z\u00e1klad\u011b t\u00e9 podobnosti. Kdy\u017e jsem si \u010detla den\u00edky Ruth a porovn\u00e1vala je se sv\u00fdmi, na\u0161la jsem n\u011bkter\u00e9 podobn\u00e9 z\u00e1pisky. Tak\u017ee jsem p\u0159em\u00fd\u0161lela, \u017ee kdy\u017e v nahr\u00e1vce vyslov\u00edm n\u011bjakou my\u0161lenku a nebude \u00fapln\u011b jasn\u00e9, kter\u00e1 z n\u00e1s ji \u0159ekla, tak to bude i ur\u010dit\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem vystihovat vztah, kter\u00fd mezi sebou s Ruth m\u00e1me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-soundcloud wp-block-embed-soundcloud\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Ruth - I. d\u00edl by rtds.jamu\" width=\"500\" height=\"400\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"no\" src=\"https:\/\/w.soundcloud.com\/player\/?visual=true&#038;url=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F1419059038&#038;show_artwork=true&#038;maxheight=750&#038;maxwidth=500\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Co\u017e je pro m\u011b pr\u00e1v\u011b moc zaj\u00edmav\u00e1 poloha tv\u00e9ho po\u0159adu &#8211; hled\u00e1n\u00ed vztahu v situaci, kdy studuje\u0161 n\u011b\u010d\u00ed den\u00edk a jak\u00fdmsi zp\u016fsobem se toho \u010dlov\u011bka jako postavu sna\u017e\u00ed\u0161 zp\u0159\u00edtomnit ve sv\u00e9 tvorb\u011b. Vlastn\u011b j\u00ed prop\u016fj\u010duje\u0161 cosi ze sebe. Svoje t\u011blo, svoje my\u0161lenky, p\u0159edstavy, co bys ty \u2013 a s tebou i on \u2013 ud\u011blala. Prop\u016fj\u010duje\u0161 t\u00e9 postav\u011b sebe sama.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Kdy\u017e se vrac\u00edm je\u0161t\u011b k za\u010d\u00e1tk\u016fm, vzpom\u00edn\u00e1m si, \u017ee jsem v p\u016fvodn\u00ed anotaci, \u017ee chci Ruth vz\u00edt a uk\u00e1zat j\u00ed, jak sv\u011bt vypad\u00e1 te\u010f. T\u0159eba pr\u00e1v\u011b v i \u017daro\u0161ic\u00edch. Proto\u017ee ona sama m\u00e1 v den\u00edc\u00edch i hodn\u011b pas\u00e1\u017e\u00ed o tom, jak j\u00ed z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed na lidech, a \u010dasto p\u0159em\u00fd\u0161l\u00ed, co bude se sv\u011btem po jej\u00ed smrti. Tak jsem j\u00ed to cht\u011bla uk\u00e1zat \u2013 ale to samoz\u0159ejm\u011b u\u017e nejde jinak ne\u017e p\u0159es mou osobu. I kdy\u017e je to pro m\u011b velk\u00e1 zodpov\u011bdnost. V\u00edm, \u017ee u\u017e n\u011bco fabuluji na z\u00e1klad\u011b re\u00e1ln\u00e9 postavy &#8230; P\u0159esto douf\u00e1m, \u017ee to d\u011bl\u00e1m poctiv\u011b.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Rozhodn\u011b! Dokonce si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee vzhledem k tomu, \u017ee se s n\u00ed sna\u017e\u00ed\u0161 nav\u00e1zat up\u0159\u00edmn\u00fd osobn\u00ed vztah, je to nakonec snad i p\u0159esn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed v\u00fdpov\u011b\u010f, ne\u017e kdyby vznikala n\u011bjak\u00e1 steriln\u00ed verze podle nepsan\u00e9ho kodexu <em>Jak by spr\u00e1vn\u011b m\u011bl vypadat p\u0159\u00edb\u011bh \u017eidovsk\u00e9 d\u00edvky<\/em>.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mo\u017en\u00e1 \u2026 Ka\u017edop\u00e1dn\u011b, jak se u n\u00ed hodn\u011b \u0159e\u0161\u00ed to \u017eidovstv\u00ed, tak jsem si vlastn\u011b poprv\u00e9 uv\u011bdomila, co znamenalo pro ty lidi \u017e\u00edt ve v\u00e1le\u010dn\u00e9m obdob\u00ed a neb\u00fdt ortodoxn\u00ed. Proto\u017ee ona rozhodn\u011b nebyla \u017didovka, co by dodr\u017eovala v\u0161echna pravidla. N\u011bjak\u00e9 sv\u00e1tky ano, ale nemysl\u00edm si, \u017ee byla by ctila v\u0161echno. A n\u011bkolikr\u00e1t tam i reflektuje, jestli tedy v\u016fbec pat\u0159\u00ed k \u017eidovsk\u00e9 komunit\u011b.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-soundcloud wp-block-embed-soundcloud\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Ruth - III. d\u00edl by rtds.jamu\" width=\"500\" height=\"400\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"no\" src=\"https:\/\/w.soundcloud.com\/player\/?visual=true&#038;url=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F1419058768&#038;show_artwork=true&#038;maxheight=750&#038;maxwidth=500\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Kdy\u017e se je\u0161t\u011b vr\u00e1t\u00edme ke zvl\u00e1\u0161tn\u00ed form\u011b tv\u00e9ho p\u0159\u00edb\u011bhu: Tys tu formu nicm\u00e9n\u011b musela pak trochu zm\u011bnit pro n\u011bjakou v\u00fdstavu. Co se p\u0159esn\u011b stalo?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>J\u00e1 u\u017e jsem byla v kontaktu se skupinkou lid\u00ed, kter\u00e1 se o Ruth zaj\u00edm\u00e1: jednak vydali ty den\u00edky a potom uspo\u0159\u00e1dali dv\u011b v\u00fdstavy, <em>P\u0159etnut\u00e9 \u017eivoty<\/em> a <em>Archy rodiny M<\/em><em>a<\/em><em>ier\u016f<\/em>. Vernis\u00e1\u017e jedn\u00e9 z nich m\u011bla prob\u011bhnout v Mikulov\u011b, v synagoze, a oni, proto\u017ee u\u017e znali m\u016fj cyklus, se zeptali, jestli by ne\u0161lo n\u011bco vytvo\u0159it i pro tu akci. Tehdy u\u017e jsem m\u011bla hotov\u00fd prvn\u00ed d\u00edl \u2013 namluven\u00fd jedn\u00edm hlasem. Nicm\u00e9n\u011b jist\u00fd \u010dlov\u011bk, nep\u0159\u00edm\u00fd potomek Ruth, si p\u0159\u00e1l, aby hlasy byly odd\u011blen\u00e9 &#8211; proto\u017ee by se v p\u0159\u00edb\u011bhu lid\u00e9 podle n\u011bho ztr\u00e1celi. Ale mn\u011b to nakonec ani nevadilo. Nebrala jsem jeho p\u0159ipom\u00ednku jako ni\u010den\u00ed m\u00e9ho d\u00edla. V\u011bd\u011bla jsem, \u017ee o to mu v \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9m p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b nejde. Tak vznikla verze pro dva hlasy \u2013 a mus\u00edm \u0159\u00edct, \u017ee to nat\u00e1\u010den\u00ed pro m\u011b bylo dost zvl\u00e1\u0161tn\u00ed. Najednou sly\u0161et jin\u00fd prvek, jin\u00fd hlas \u2026 Nav\u00edc ten pocit, \u017ee jsem najednou musela n\u011bkoho re\u017e\u00edrovat. A here\u010dka samoz\u0159ejm\u011b nem\u011bla \u010das si nastudovat den\u00edky \u00fapln\u011b dopodrobna, tak\u017ee i samo nahr\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00ed bylo trochu zvl\u00e1\u0161tn\u00ed. Proto\u017ee mi p\u0159ipad\u00e1, \u017ee si Ruth od ur\u010dit\u00e9 doby \u010dasto tah\u00e1m s sebou &#8211; a najednou jsem m\u011bla bizarn\u00ed pocit, \u017ee j\u00ed mus\u00edm p\u0159edstavit tu here\u010dku, jej\u00ed p\u0159edstavitelku, mus\u00edm p\u0159edstavit.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Tak\u017ee chce\u0161 \u0159\u00edct, \u017ee Ruth i p\u0159esto, \u017ee ji ztv\u00e1r\u0148ovala ta here\u010dka, z\u016fst\u00e1vala st\u00e1le v tob\u011b?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(pousm\u011bje se) No \u2026 asi ano. Tedy j\u00e1 ji nevn\u00edm\u00e1m tolik jako by byla ve mn\u011b, ale sp\u00ed\u0161 \u017ee je to takov\u00fd \u010dlov\u011bk, co chod\u00ed vedle m\u011b. \u017de ji nikdo nevid\u00ed, jen j\u00e1. Tak\u017ee jsem to brala, jako\u017ee sed\u00ed n\u011bkde ve studiu, kouk\u00e1 se na n\u00e1s a ob\u010das se n\u011b\u010demu zasm\u011bje.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Kone\u010dn\u011b, kdy\u017e se bav\u00edme o tom zpracov\u00e1n\u00ed p\u0159\u00edb\u011bh\u016f z druh\u00e9 sv\u011btov\u00e9 v\u00e1lky, p\u0159\u00edb\u011bh\u016f \u017did\u016f a holocaustu, mysl\u00ed\u0161 si te\u010f, \u017ee je n\u011bco, na co je t\u0159eba si d\u00e1vat pozor? Na co se soust\u0159edit? Jak p\u0159istoupit k tomu v\u0161emu materi\u00e1lu, kter\u00fd u\u017e tady je?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>J\u00e1 budu mluvit jen osobn\u011b. Nev\u00edm, jestli je to obecn\u00e1 rada \u2026 Ale pro m\u011b bylo asi nejd\u016fle\u017eit\u011bj\u0161\u00ed si n\u011bjak odmyslet tu drastickou smrt. Proto\u017ee potom se na toho \u010dlov\u011bka bude\u0161 v\u017edycky d\u00edvat jako na chud\u00e1ka. Co\u017e jsem necht\u011bla. J\u00e1 jsem si p\u0159\u00e1la sp\u00ed\u0161 aby \u2026 Ne, aby to bylo cel\u00e9 opro\u0161t\u011bn\u00e9 od jej\u00ed smrti, ostatn\u011b tohoto t\u00e9matu se tam taky n\u011bkolikr\u00e1t dot\u00fdk\u00e1m. Ale nechci, aby ta smrt vyzn\u00edvala jako nejd\u016fle\u017eit\u011bj\u0161\u00ed bod jej\u00edho \u017eivota. Co\u017e mi p\u0159ijde, \u017ee se v hodn\u011b filmech i kn\u00ed\u017ek\u00e1ch d\u011bje. Ti lid\u00e9 jsou \u010dasto tak pojmut\u00ed, \u017ee \u017eili n\u011bjak\u00fd \u017eivot, byli \u017did\u00e9, za v\u00e1lky do bylo hrozn\u00e9 &#8211; a potom p\u0159\u00edb\u011bh v\u017edycky kon\u010d\u00ed tou hroznou sc\u00e9nou, kdy odejdou. A nebo tam ta sc\u00e9na p\u0159\u00edmo nen\u00ed, ale je jasn\u00e9, jak to dopadne. Ale j\u00e1 osobn\u011b se sna\u017e\u00edm nemyslet celou dobu na to, \u017ee tomu \u010dlov\u011bku bylo tak hrozn\u011b uk\u0159ivd\u011bno. To posledn\u00ed, co bych si p\u0159\u00e1la, je vn\u00edmat ji jako chudinku.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Poslucha\u010dka ateli\u00e9ru Anna Mr\u00e1zkov\u00e1 nato\u010dila rozhlasov\u00fd cyklus voln\u011b inspirovan\u00fd knihou Den\u00edk Ruth Maierov\u00e9, zachycuj\u00edc\u00ed p\u0159\u00edb\u011bh \u017eidovsk\u00e9 d\u00edvky \u010desk\u00e9ho p\u016fvodu a jej\u00edho sv\u00e9bytn\u00e9ho nahl\u00ed\u017een\u00ed na sv\u011bt okoln\u00ed i ten soukrom\u00fd. Po\u0159ad byl uveden mj. na vernis\u00e1\u017ei k v\u00fdstav\u011b Archy rodiny Maier\u016f po\u0159\u00e1dan\u00e9 po\u010d\u00e1tkem roku 2021 v mikulovsk\u00e9 synagoze. 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