{"id":7430,"date":"2026-04-27T07:42:00","date_gmt":"2026-04-27T05:42:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/rtds.jamu.cz\/?p=7430"},"modified":"2026-04-26T04:12:24","modified_gmt":"2026-04-26T02:12:24","slug":"divame-se-na-odraz-neceho-co-vlastne-duverne-zname-rozhovor-s-klarou-klocovou-o-knize-kavaliri","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/rtds.jamu.cz\/?p=7430","title":{"rendered":"D\u00edv\u00e1me se na odraz n\u011b\u010deho, co vlastn\u011b d\u016fv\u011brn\u011b zn\u00e1me \/ Rozhovor s Kl\u00e1rou Klocovou o knize Kaval\u00ed\u0159i"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>V nakladatelstv\u00ed Yoli pr\u00e1v\u011b vych\u00e1z\u00ed Kaval\u00ed\u0159i, kniha studentky ateli\u00e9ru RTDS Kl\u00e1ry Klocov\u00e9 v \u017e\u00e1nru odpo\u010dinkov\u00e9 queer romantiky s n\u00e1dechem baroka. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Gratulujeme autorce k publikaci!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Kn\u00ed\u017ee Cardan u\u017e m\u00e1 po krk sv\u00e9ho zpackan\u00e9ho \u017eivota i neust\u00e1l\u00fdch h\u00e1dek s matkou. Hn\u00e1n touhou polo\u017eit mezi sebe a sv\u00e9 probl\u00e9my p\u00e1r mil, vyr\u00e1\u017e\u00ed na kaval\u00edrskou cestu, aby poznal ciz\u00ed kraje a p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm s\u00e1m sebe. To by mu ale cestu nesm\u011bl zk\u0159\u00ed\u017eit Palo, osobn\u00ed str\u00e1\u017ece s kopou tajemstv\u00ed. Oby\u010dejn\u00e1 n\u00e1klonnost v\u0161ak brzy p\u0159eroste v n\u011bco v\u00edc\u2026 a na to u\u017e pouh\u00e1 kur\u00e1\u017e sta\u010dit nebude.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Nakladatelstv\u00ed Yoli<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Kniha vych\u00e1z\u00ed v dob\u011b z\u00e1jmu o historick\u00e9 fikce, nov\u00e1 p\u0159evypr\u00e1v\u011bn\u00ed nebo oslovov\u00e1n\u00ed sou\u010dasn\u00fdch t\u00e9mat v historick\u00e9m kontextu. Co podle tebe dnes v historick\u00e9m prost\u0159ed\u00ed hled\u00e1me?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Nem\u016f\u017eu samoz\u0159ejm\u011b mluvit za v\u0161echny, ale podle m\u00e9ho hled\u00e1me v historii p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm porozum\u011bn\u00ed. Snahu porozum\u011bt tomu, jac\u00ed jsme, jak se d\u00edv\u00e1me na sv\u011bt, jak\u00e1 d\u011bl\u00e1me rozhodnut\u00ed a \u010d\u00edm tvo\u0159\u00edme d\u011bjiny. Lid\u00e9 se v z\u00e1sad\u011b nem\u011bn\u00ed, m\u011bn\u00ed se jen okolnosti a prost\u0159edky. V tom pro n\u00e1s setk\u00e1n\u00ed s histori\u00ed a jej\u00edmi p\u0159\u00edb\u011bhy m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt tak fascinuj\u00edc\u00ed. D\u00edv\u00e1me se na odraz n\u011b\u010deho, co vlastn\u011b d\u016fv\u011brn\u011b zn\u00e1me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>K obdob\u00ed baroka se vrac\u00ed\u0161 i v jin\u00fdch sv\u00fdch projektech. Kde pro tebe byla v p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b Kaval\u00edr\u016f hranice, co z dobov\u00fdch re\u00e1li\u00ed muselo z\u016fstat zachov\u00e1no?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Kaval\u00ed\u0159i se neodehr\u00e1vaj\u00ed v \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9 konkr\u00e9tn\u00ed zemi. Z na\u0161\u00ed historie jim z\u016fst\u00e1v\u00e1 pouze \u010dasoprostor, jak\u00e1si &#8222;mentalita doby&#8220;. Pr\u00e1v\u011b ta pro m\u011b byla st\u011b\u017eejn\u00ed. Baroko je dost vzd\u00e1len\u00e9, aby byl ten rozd\u00edl c\u00edtit, z\u00e1rove\u0148 v\u0161ak ne tolik, aby si ho \u010dten\u00e1\u0159 nedovedl p\u0159edstavit, v\u017e\u00edt se do n\u011bj. Ve sv\u00fdch d\u00edlech se sna\u017e\u00edm p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm o uv\u011b\u0159iteln\u00e9 a svobodn\u011b p\u0159em\u00fd\u0161lej\u00edc\u00ed postavy, a pr\u00e1v\u011b skrze n\u011b tento &#8222;n\u00e1dech baroka&#8220; p\u0159ed\u00e1v\u00e1m. Oni v n\u011bm \u017eij\u00ed, je pro n\u011b p\u0159irozen\u00e9, nemus\u00ed se jim nic vysv\u011btlovat. Pr\u00e1v\u011b ta samoz\u0159ejmost d\u011bl\u00e1 p\u0159\u00edb\u011bh (a s n\u00edm i toto historick\u00e9 obdob\u00ed) tak \u017eiv\u00fdm. Pokud bych tedy m\u011bla vyp\u00edchnout, na \u010dem jsem si d\u00e1vala obzvl\u00e1\u0161\u0165 z\u00e1le\u017eet, byly to p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm z\u00e1le\u017eitosti v\u0161edn\u00edho dne: oble\u010den\u00ed, j\u00eddlo, dopravn\u00ed prost\u0159edky, hygiena, ale tak\u00e9 architektura nebo divadlo, v\u011bci, se kter\u00fdmi se m\u00ed hrdinov\u00e9 setk\u00e1vaj\u00ed na denn\u00ed b\u00e1zi. Sv\u011bt Kaval\u00edr\u016f m\u00e1 oproti baroku ov\u0161em jednu z\u00e1sadn\u00ed prom\u011bnu. Neexistuje v n\u011bm k\u0159es\u0165anstv\u00ed. V tomto fiktivn\u00edm sv\u011bt\u011b n\u00e1bo\u017eenstv\u00ed vymizelo a nahradila ho sv\u011btsk\u00e1 moc. V pov\u011bdom\u00ed postav tedy existuj\u00ed &#8222;sta\u0159\u00ed bohov\u00e9&#8220;, n\u011bco na zp\u016fsob barokn\u00edch odkaz\u016f na \u0159\u00edmsk\u00fd pantheon \u010di Ovidiovy\u00a0<em>Prom\u011bny<\/em>, jsou v\u0161ak pouze odrazem d\u00e1vno zanikl\u00e9 kultury. Nemaj\u00ed jm\u00e9na ani sv\u00e9 uct\u00edva\u010de, jsou jen p\u0159\u00edb\u011bhem. Tato zm\u011bna byla asi tou nejv\u011bt\u0161\u00ed, kterou jsem ud\u011blala, dala mi ov\u0161em mo\u017enost pod\u00edvat se, jak by takov\u00e1 spole\u010dnost fungovala.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>&#8222;V\u00e1\u017e\u00edm si tv\u00e9 nab\u00eddky, ale dosp\u011bl jsem k n\u00e1zoru, \u017ee pokud m\u00e1m zem\u0159\u00edt, a\u0165 je to v suchu a pohodl\u00ed.&#8220; Pro\u010d jsou pro tebe v knize d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9 i humorn\u00e9 polohy? Jak vn\u00edm\u00e1\u0161 komi\u010dnost baroka?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Humor je jako vl\u00e1knina. Je d\u016fle\u017eit\u00fd ke spr\u00e1vn\u00e9mu &#8222;str\u00e1ven\u00ed&#8220; p\u0159\u00edb\u011bhu. Pom\u00e1h\u00e1 publiku vst\u0159ebat postavy, my\u0161lenky a t\u011b\u017ek\u00e1 t\u00e9mata. D\u00e1v\u00e1 jim vyniknout. Kdy\u017e se cel\u00e9 d\u00edlo top\u00ed ve spl\u00ednu, je t\u011b\u017ek\u00e9, ba p\u0159\u00edmo nemo\u017en\u00e9, \u010dten\u00e1\u0159e vytrhnout a zaujmout. Ale pokud je v d\u00edle obsa\u017een\u00fd vtip, mohou m\u00edt tyto ud\u00e1losti a \u00favahy mnohem znateln\u011bj\u0161\u00ed dopad. Baroko samo o sob\u011b p\u0159\u00edli\u0161 z\u00e1bavn\u00e9 nen\u00ed. Je to doba p\u0159\u00edsn\u00fdch pravidel, tlaku, ok\u00e1zalosti a iluz\u00ed. Ale i v n\u011bm po\u0159\u00e1d \u017eij\u00ed lid\u00e9. A lid\u00e9 si ze sebe a sv\u00fdch osud\u016f d\u011blaj\u00ed legraci. Je to zp\u016fsob komunikace s ostatn\u00edmi i se sv\u011btem. Proto podle m\u011b do p\u0159\u00edb\u011bhu pat\u0159\u00ed &#8211; a pat\u0159\u00ed i k baroku.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Ovlivnily tvoje dva roky v ateli\u00e9ru RTDS zp\u016fsob tv\u00e9ho psan\u00ed? Jak se u tebe setk\u00e1v\u00e1 scen\u00e1ristika s liter\u00e1rn\u00ed tvorbou?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Studium na JAMU m\u00e9mu psan\u00ed p\u0159ineslo mnoh\u00e9. Jednak nutkavou pot\u0159ebu vkl\u00e1dat do p\u0159\u00edb\u011bh\u016f divadlo a odkazy na commedia dell&#8217;arte, ale p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm mo\u017enost vid\u011bt sv\u016fj p\u0159\u00edb\u011bh v obrazech, ve zvuc\u00edch, um\u011bt si ho p\u0159edstavit jako filmov\u00fd z\u00e1b\u011br. Mnohokr\u00e1t mi tato technika pomohla a dala vzniknout obraz\u016fm, kter\u00e9 jsou v textov\u00e9 podob\u011b siln\u00e9, fascinuj\u00edc\u00ed, o n\u011b\u010dem vypov\u00eddaj\u00ed. Nejv\u00edc se mi v tomto kontextu vybavuje sc\u00e9na z fin\u00e1le p\u0159\u00edb\u011bhu, kdy se dozv\u00edd\u00e1me o pov\u011bstn\u00e9m &#8222;posledn\u00edm baletu&#8220; kn\u00ed\u017eete Cardana. Ten je inspirovan\u00fd v\u00fdstupem Apollona z\u00a0 Moli\u00e8rova com\u00e9die-balletu\u00a0<em>Skv\u011bl\u00ed milenci (Les Amants magnifiques).\u00a0<\/em>Ta sc\u00e9na je siln\u00e1 pr\u00e1v\u011b t\u00edm, \u017ee je vypr\u00e1v\u011bn\u00e1 pouze detaily, mal\u00fdmi z\u00e1blesky obraz\u016f a vjem\u016f: zlat\u00fdm prachem vzn\u00e1\u0161ej\u00edc\u00edm se ve vzduchu, vrz\u00e1n\u00edm prken jevi\u0161t\u011b, kapkou potu, raz\u00edc\u00ed si cestu l\u00ed\u010didly. P\u0159ed t\u00edm by m\u011b nic podobn\u00e9ho ani nenapadlo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:100px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Rozhovor s Kl\u00e1rou Klocovou po\u0159\u00eddila Kate\u0159ina Hejnarov\u00e1.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>V nakladatelstv\u00ed Yoli pr\u00e1v\u011b vych\u00e1z\u00ed Kaval\u00ed\u0159i, kniha studentky ateli\u00e9ru RTDS Kl\u00e1ry Klocov\u00e9 v \u017e\u00e1nru odpo\u010dinkov\u00e9 queer romantiky s n\u00e1dechem baroka. Gratulujeme autorce k publikaci! Kn\u00ed\u017ee Cardan u\u017e m\u00e1 po krk sv\u00e9ho zpackan\u00e9ho \u017eivota i neust\u00e1l\u00fdch h\u00e1dek s matkou. 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